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How Does An E-Bike Ride Without The Battery? | Battery Vs No Battery

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– The battery is a really
important part of your e-bike. Obviously it powers you up the hills with all that assistance to the motor. Now we often gets asked
the question here on EMBN about riding your e-bike
without a battery. So today we’ve come to
417 Bike Park to see how it affects your ride without
a battery in your e-bike. (energetic music) – Now why would you choose
not to have the battery in your e-bike? Well there’s quite a few actual reasons. And first up it’s going to be
traveling with your e-bike. No airline will allow
you to fly with an e-bike with a battery installed. It’s usually a case of
getting to your destination and renting out a battery. Now the destination you might be going to might be chair-lift
assisted or gravity Focus, then it might not be such a problem. So when it comes to riding
trails with chairlifts you might find that
e-bike with the battery in will exceed the chairlift’s
actual weight specifications. So by removing that battery
you’re going to bring the weight of that bike down and allow you access to that chairlift. Next up is the forgotten or flat battery. Now we’ve all been there. You think you’ve put
your battery on charge but you arrive at your riding destination and either you’ve forgotten the battery or it’s flat. Now you might want to shed that battery just to avoid have that
dead weight in the bike. So if you’re riding in a
gravity assisted bike park like we are here today, removing the battery might
make the bike a little bit more nimble and a bit more
active out on the trail. (electronic music) – So I’ve just whipped the
battery out of my Spectral:ON and already it’s feeling pretty sprightly just in the car park. So hardest bit is going to
be getting out the way first. This is the climb. We’re going to time it
up and down the hill without a battery. So let’s go. (energetic synth music) – [ Presenter] Now one part of this ride I am looking forward to
is seeing what descending feels like without a battery. Still got the weight of the
motor but losing that battery 2.4 kilograms out of the
bike, that’s quite substantial seeing as this bike
weighs I think 22 kilos, can take it down to
around 20 kilos itself. All right, it’s a bit flatter here. I can deal with this. (electronic synth music) – Oh my god, oh. Six minutes 55 seconds of
pure heartburning slog. I would definitely not
recommend that on an e-bike without the battery in. I think even on a standard
mountain bike that would be quite a slog. I think if you are going to
do any climbing on an e-bike without a battery just make
sure you’ve got an uplift or a chairlift. That was no fun at all. Right, now the piece that
I’ve been looking forward to. Now I’ve been dying to
ride an e-bike down a hill without a battery. But am I going to lose a bit of speed because I haven’t got that weight? Or is this bike going to
feel a lot more nimble, and a lot more agile? – [Presenter] Only one
way to find that out. (energizing music) – [Presenter] Stop the clock. One minute 31. No battery on the downhill. Now I cased a couple of
those jumps at the bottom. The bike just didn’t feel
like it had enough pop, so maybe when I stick the battery in it might change things up. (electronic music) – So some bike parks don’t
actually allow e-bikes at the park themselves so
the only way you’re going to get round it is by
whipping the battery out and getting on the uplift
up to the top of the hill. No pushing your bike, simply jump off the uplift get on your bike without the battery and shred down the hill. Right so that’s the uplift done. That was super speedy to
get to the top of the hill. A really efficient way and probably the fasted too by my watch. But the only this is, I’m
not feeling that warmed up. I’ve literally got off the
van, jumped on my bike. Now I’ve got to shred down this track. If I was to ride up, I
think I’d be warmed up ready to nail the run straight away. – [Presenter] Let’s see anyway. Let’s go. (energizing music) – [Presenter] So there you go. One minute 28 seconds to do it with no battery after the uplift. Now that’s pretty interesting. (electronic music) So finally we’re back in business. The battery is installed now in the e-bike the way it was meant to be. Now I can’t actually wait
to ride up this hill. I was dreading it with no battery but this is the way it was meant to be. – [Presenter] Let’s go. Right, boost mode. Engage. (energizing music) Wow. Now that was a load of fun. That is what e-bikes were designed for. I feel like I’ve done that in
literally in half the time. And I’m feeling refreshed. I can literally drop straight
into this trail and shred. I’m not stood here for half
an hour catching my breath before I drop in. So on both of those runs without a battery the bike felt really
skittish in the corners, a lot less grip purely because that low
down weight wasn’t there. And also on the bigger jumps
I couldn’t preload the bike into the faces as much
as I can with a battery. I felt I was coming up
short and a lot more effort to get that distance on the jumps. So I’ve plugged the battery in. Time to hit the downhill. – [Presenter] Straight
away that first step down felt so good. These corners are way better. (energizing music) – Wow. Now that felt pretty good. It felt way more planted. I think even just braking
I could feel the bike hooking up into the dirt way more. That weight down low. Even on some of the jumps
I could preload the face so much better as well. The bike felt a lot more planted, loads more stable in the air, and even on the down slopes
I could feel that weight generate even more speed out of the trail. So my day is done here at 417 Bike Park and it’s been a really
good day on this bike, with and without the battery. There’s been some
interesting things going on. So I think we head back to the shed and analyze all this data. – Right, so let’s take a
look at all this data then. So the actual climb we were riding up was three quarters of a mile long. 276 feet of elevation. The uplift however had a
bit more of a direct route. But the burning question
you guys want to know is what was faster up and down the hill. Well let’s kick things
off with the uplift. Now this was the fastest up the hill, with a time of two minutes 43 seconds. However, we didn’t factor in the account of loading and unloading
bikes which obviously added a bit more time to it. It was the least amount of effort because I was just sat in a van although my heart rate reached
a max of 145 beats per minute on the way up in that van. Now I don’t remember the
uplift driver being that scary! Now, second place. Battery in. Two minutes 59 seconds up the hill. I rode up in boost mode the whole way, average speed of 13.6 miles per hour. My max heart rate was 139 beats per minute so six beats lower than the uplift. So in last place as expected battery out. Now this was the slowest
way up the hill by far. Slogged my way up, six minutes 55 seconds. Heart beating out of my chest, literally. A max heart rate of 144 beats per minute. Okay, so this is where
it gets interesting. This is the times down the hill. Now in first place was
the battery in the bike. So I put in a time of
one minute 24 seconds, hit 25 miles per hour on the way down, had a max heart rate of
131 beats per minute. I think this was because I’ve
basically ridden up the hill. I was all sort of ready to drop in. I felt warmed up and I was in the zone. Smashed it on the way down. So in second place was no
battery after the uplift. Now my time was one minute 28 seconds. That was four seconds
slower going down the hill than with the battery in the bike and interestingly my max heart
rate was 123 beats per minute which was the lowest overall
on the day of the three runs. Probably because I’d been
sat on my bum on the uplift, my muscles weren’t warmed up and I found it pretty hard to
get in the zone on that run. And in third place, no battery
after climbing up the hill. Now this was the slowest time of the day. One minute 31 seconds. So a whole seven seconds
slower than with the battery in and almost two miles per
hour slower on average. Max heart rate was 125 beats per minute and I felt pretty tired
after riding up that hill so I had to sit around and catch my breath and when I dropped in it
took me a little while to get back in the zone
and feel good on my bike. Hence, the slower time. So some pretty interesting
data and times there. Now we get asked the question
quite a lot, “Does removing “the battery out of the
bike going to make it more “agile and nimble?” Now actually I think when
I removed the battery the bike felt a lot more skittish and a lot more less planted
than it does with a battery in. I think with the battery
in you’ve got that nice low down weight that
gives you increased grip. It makes the bike a lot more predictable and it corners and jumps a lot better. Answering that question,
“Can you ride your e-bike “without a battery?” Well yes, you definitely can. I think it’s a really good
option if you’re traveling with your e-bike or if you
need to shed a little bit of weight out of it for the chairlift. However, you will not
catch me riding my e-bike up a hill without a battery. But that’s it for today’s video. I really hope you’ve enjoyed it. Drop some comments in the box below about whether you guys have
ridden without a battery on your e-bike. Give us a thumbs up if you’ve enjoyed it. Don’t forget to subscribe to EMBN by clicking the globe in
the middle of the screen and we shall see you next time.

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72 thoughts on “How Does An E-Bike Ride Without The Battery? | Battery Vs No Battery”

  1. Connor B says:

    First! Love your vids!

  2. AA CC says:

    sloppy seconds

    11111111

  3. Cheetah says:

    Ayyy lets go second

  4. Charge Ride Repeat says:

    Better downhill with battery weight.

    Ok add another 10kilos to the frame, see if it gets even better

  5. daniel charlie fernandez says:

    neat

  6. Tomas Z says:

    why not just get normal mtb than riding without battery, thats bonkers

  7. azharhassan_ says:

    i heard ebike riding without battery feel like riding in pool of mud.now this seems to be like normal mtb to me.nice video by the way.😍👍

  8. tobye hillier says:

    You know what might be good? A social app that connects ebike riders from different countries for sharing batteries, which would also have a database of places to rent batteries…. Airbat? Ubat?

    Good idea?

  9. George W. Kush says:

    you guys are starting to run out of video ideas aren't you? still enjoyed it though

  10. One Two says:

    Like a noughties DH bike

  11. Shifty UK Biker Motovlogger says:

    I think it makes the uphills a bit of fun. I also think that if you want to use the same amount of effort uphill compared to a clockwork you can? But is the comparison worth doing anymore? E-mtb can stand on their own two feet without having to be justified or compared against mtbs. It just sets up the 'angry mob' to moan.

  12. Shifty UK Biker Motovlogger says:

    Do some interviews with some e-mtb owners. I'm sure theres a few entertaining ones out there. Or interview some on the bike parks and ride with them for a bit.Or interview the bike park managers and ask what they think? Or review some of the bike parks and rank them for best e-mtb use.

  13. Shannon D says:

    I can not use my shifter if my battery is not installed! Pointless. E-bikes need 3 small 'piggy back' batteries to overcome battery 'size' issue when flying.

  14. Trail Doug says:

    The gearing on an eBike is usually longer with that 34t front ring. That makes the steeper sections of climb even harder when you run out of gears. The whole balance of the bike is designed around the position of the motor and battery, remove one and it gets upset. The only reason I'd run without one is I really wanted to ride a certain trail and eBikes were otherwise banned.

  15. Simon Kelly says:

    Does riding without the battery in clause problems with dirt ingress on the connectors?

  16. Trent Attewell says:

    On anything with the older Bosch motors, no battery is awful. Way too much resistance internally in the motor for non battery riding at low speeds. Get it moving and you'll be right but it's very unpleasant on climbs and even flats to an extent.

  17. vince snetterton says:

    very poorly

  18. Tony Chambers says:

    Nice comparison

  19. Mark Collingwood says:

    Great job having a go at that climb at 417 without the Battery Chris, its a slog on a regular bike!

  20. RocketMagnetUK says:

    Was the Ebike turned on during the decent? ultimately did you use any assist to accelerate?

  21. Sixty Seconds of Stephens says:

    It really helps me having that extra weight. The suspension seems to work better, so more planted and less skittish in the corners or over rocks etc and the jumps you can hit slower and pre load as you say and easily clear jumps. Great video.

  22. Mark Clark says:

    Another great video!
    I've done it. It's crap.
    Your forgot to mention that the suspension will be all set up wrong when you remove that weight but hey, maybe not a huge difference.

  23. Ryan Wellington says:

    This brings up the question,what is the optimal weight for a bike on the downhill? At what point does a light bike become a disadvantage?

  24. Ghostina1 says:

    So… `*this entire video is nonsense* if you do not changed SAG with and without battery – wasting time watching this

  25. Florian Klonig says:

    You have to train more then you are better on the climbs

  26. AndyPandy says:

    i always find my heart rate is higher on my E-Bike compared to my normal XC bike. Maybe all the extra excitement.

  27. Robert and Leslie OBrien says:

    I would worry that on an integrated battery bike the battery might be a structural member so the strength of the bike could be compromised?

  28. Shark Mentality says:

    Flew to Chico, rode through town up to Paradise batteriless. Thighs were screaming at me all day. Needed next morning desend.

  29. Endorfin Fishing says:

    What about protecting the exposed contacts when the battery is out?

  30. Yo Tonomie says:

    thank but I thought it would be a comparison of an ebike without battery and a normal mountain bike. How much the weight of the motor and frame is disadvantageous … it's pretty obvious that ebike with battery is better than without.

  31. Gray squirrel tree service says:

    That was really really awesome very interesting 👍 e bikes rule way of the future get on the most fun available 🥰

  32. slow savage says:

    I can't ride my ebike without the battery. It literally requires more force from me to even go down hill without it. It just doesn't go, it has resistence. It doesnt function like a normal bike. I have a Surface604.

  33. SW H says:

    The best part was when you flew by those 2 chaps pushing their bikes up the hill, wonder why they didn't take the uplift, anyway, great video. Here is what "cheating" is people, using either uplift or chairlift, get an Ebike and ride to the top. Shred on.

  34. Daniel Moore says:

    Put some more air in your fork noob/

  35. SJ Kotey says:

    Hi guys,

    Great channel! I have a 2018 Spectral On 6.0. Since day one I have heard a sound like a scraping/ vibrating brake disk. Had my axels tightened, spokes tensioned, brakes checked, no change.

    Then I noticed it only occured whilst pedalling and now I think the sound actually might be coming from the motor… Do you have experiences with this?

  36. Marek Kuzian says:

    What bike is this in the video?

  37. motojames says:

    I know the is an ebike channel, but how about some objective content rather than just tailoring every 'test' or 'review' to make the ebike the holy grail of everything that can do no wrong. Btw i do like ebikes.just seems like the channel is basically an advertising platform for certain brands of ebike

  38. Lee Trusselle says:

    Poor Chris always get the cardio work out! Wheres chunky Ste? Last week you nearly chundered up a bacon egg breakfast.

  39. Max Vargas says:

    Does riding an ebike without the battery negate the speed cap?

  40. Vert N Dirt says:

    Still think theres an aftermarket business for someone to make battery compartment covers for going without a battery and bolt in traditional bottom brackets in place of the motor( for travel, lifts, or if your motor is getting serviced)

  41. FhargaZ says:

    Airlines not allowing the batteries…then what about the computers? The cellphones? 🙄

  42. Geordo1960 says:

    What does it feel like on an E bike with no battery to me…well…frankly…pointless. However when I was riding downhill on my trail bike I missed the big tires and weight of my ebike.

  43. Philip Williams says:

    Maybe I'm old fashioned correction I am old fashioned prefer to ride up on my e.bike and blast down. That's why I bought an e.bike living in snowdonia

  44. Marco Paganotto says:

    Ermmm….its not an ebike….

  45. Igor Jericevich says:

    Love the videos guys, though I don’t understand the heart rate. Maybe because I am not so fit but the heart rate up the hill was so low, mine would have hit 200

  46. Brock Higgs says:

    I think the skittish feeling and grip issues could be resolved with simple suspension tuning. The missing weight of the battery probably made the suspension too stiff.

  47. Bradley Naughton says:

    Must have been a super hot chick on the bus to get 145bpm😲

  48. Rachel Taylor says:

    My e bike is like a dead weight without the battery

  49. Larry David says:

    Something must be wrong with those heart rates.

  50. Anya Plays says:

    Does it harm the motor if I use an e-bike often without battery power (just put it off but leave it on the bike).

  51. Dave Webster says:

    145bpm on the uplift?
    Slowest down.
    I wonder if they were gassing you out on the way up.

  52. Chuck U. Farly says:

    What I am missing is some explanation WHY the bike seems to handle less desirable without the battery … given that „normal“ bikes weigh far less than an e-bike without the battery but still seem to handle better. I sounds logical to expect that the handling would improve without the battery …

    Is this because of the weight distribution over the rest of the bike? So the balance might feel off without the battery?

    Anyway … interesting topic!!

  53. Lee Jun says:

    An EBIKE that has a removable battery and removable motor system would be a total game changer on bike industries which allows you get some fitness time and fun both. 🤔🤔

  54. Hauke Schmidt says:

    Pretty fit to pedal up that hill with 144bpm… I guess I would be higher with the battery in and on

  55. Squirrelsqueezer says:

    We ride our Kenevos in the WMBP . It’s not a problem regarding weight on the roll up trays, as our old DH bike from the early days weighed about the same as an Ebike.
    However, I would be hesitant to hang it on the hook by its front wheel – only because I’m not certain the lift attendant at the top , could remove it without a struggle. Not sure if It’d be healthy for the front rim, either?

  56. Sean O'Moore says:

    Pretty sure on some models the battery offers structural strength to the frame… Probably best to check manufacturer before riding with out the battery installed.

  57. Guns N' Loaded says:

    E-Bikes clearly let you shred much more than an analog MTB. That's why they will eventually takeover, except in certain competitions/styles of riding

  58. Bazzo Smyth says:

    I have a Yamaha first gen motor, no way you could ride up a hill with the drag from the motor.

  59. bonzobanana1 says:

    When I saw the heart rate so high going up in the van I imagined it as some sort of flintstone's type vehicle where all the passengers legs are the actual drive system.

    I came into this video expecting some sort of analysis of different motors and their drag. I think direct drive hub motors have the most drag but geared hub motors can freewheel completely without drag and mid-mount motors vary enormously depending on design. The old Bosch motors had a lot of drag but the new ones are massively improved in that regard. I was hoping for some analysis of the different brands of motors and how good they are when the battery is flat with regard drag. I'm none the wiser after watching the video. I feel the battery should be fitted at all times to protect the contacts and in case it has a structural purpose plus it will also weight the bike as intended for use.

    Of course if you have a e-bike conversion with a front hub motor you can quickly convert it back to a normal bike by fitting a standard front wheel and removing the battery. You can then use it and take it anywhere as a normal bike. If its a lighter geared hub motor then you don't even have to change the wheel it will freewheel without issues. I know that won't get much coverage on this channel which is mainly sponsored by higher end e-mountain bikes but there are many advantages to hub motors not just price. In this scenario where you are riding to the top of a hill by road or track and then riding it purely downhill on a trail I'm not sure a mid-mount motor has that many advantages, the extra torque is only really beneficial for steep inclines off-road but any hub motor will get you up any road going up hill. Admittedly a heavy direct drive hub motor is probably not ideal on the front for downhill tracks it would need to be on the back but a light geared hub motor could be on either wheel. Unfortunately like mid-mount motors the geared hub motors have more moving parts and therefore a shorter life and require more maintenance although still probably more reliable than most mid-mount motors.

  60. Zo Sims says:

    Your battery is weak

  61. Dave Mckenzie says:

    I can't change years without battery on mine

  62. gmh6477 says:

    Heart beating out of chest at 144 ? Really? I’d try a hr belt my garmin watch is miles of when using the wrist pick up compared to a belt.

  63. PS4 Custom Gamer says:

    My 1000w BBSHD bike weighs 23kg with a 4kg battery

  64. neckybliss1 says:

    The main problem I see with this test is you didn't change your suspension set up between riding with and without the battery. The test did show that you must be fairly fit to begin with and a pretty good rider to cope with a poor suspension set up.

  65. Steven Gadd says:

    Load of rubbish! Sorry can't grasp this E-bike stuff so unsubscribing. Sorry.

  66. jason m VOSPER says:

    You missed out the no battery option for spesh riders, where the assistance randomly cuts out on the trail. Kenevo, Levo and Turbo Levo, has affected all my mates.

  67. Darren Leslie says:

    This is just the sort of comparison I'm interested in. As a suggestion, what about a 'control' reference of the time down the trail on a comparable non eMTB? I ask because here at Christchurch Adventure Park (chairlift), eMTBs are welcome just so long as they don't have the battery installed (something to do with regulations around the carriage of dangerous goods – NZ govt policy, not CAP's). So when I get an eMTB, do I keep my Canyon Strive for park riding or do I just use my eMTB with the battery out out?

  68. Slap Pop says:

    Should have used a gravel bike. You could have got up that hill without 'dismount of shame'…

  69. On the Trail says:

    I’m not hating love ebikes want one my self but is Sounds like you’ve used the ebike so much you can’t ride n clear jumps on a lighter bike? WHAT? 😅😂🤣 that was a stupid statement! 🤦‍♂️ it’s too skittish can’t preload my bike cause it’s too light can’t clear jumps cause it’s too light can’t ride a berm cause it’s too light that’s basically what you said… so what did you do before you got a ebike? 🤪😅🤣 just sounds stupid….

  70. Harold Simpson says:

    pointless, why would any person wish to ride/push an e-bike uphill

  71. daniel charlie fernandez says:

    nocee, I´ve done the same and felt the same

  72. Karolis Borkertas says:

    Amazing shots on this video !

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