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♪>>>AS NAFTA TALKS BETWEEN THE U.S. AND ITS NEIGHBORS RAMP UP, THOSE IN SOUTHERN ARIZONA WHOSE LIVELIHOODS DEPEND ON TRADE ARE WATCHING CLOSELY. THAT INCLUDES SCOTT VANDERVOET, CHAIRMAN OF THE FRESH PRODUCE ASSOCIATION OF THE AMERICAS, WHOSE MEMBERS IMPORT FOOD AND PRODUCE FROM MEXICO AND DISTRIBUTE THEM ACROSS THE U.S. AND CANADA. WE VISITED VANDERVOET’S WAREHOUSE IN RIO RICO AND LEARNED MORE ABOUT WHAT’S ON THE LINE FOR COMPANIES LIKE HIS.>>WELL, VANDERVOET AND ASSOCIATES IS A PRODUCE IMPORTER AND DISTRIBUTOR FOUNDED IN 1994 BETWEEN MY FATHER AND SOME GROWERS IN MEXICO. THE COMPANY BRINGS FRUITS AND VEGETABLES ACROSS THE BORDER HERE INTO NOGALES, ARIZONA, AND WE SELL THEM, MARKET THEM TO CLIENTS IN THE U.S. AND CANADA. THE BEST FRUIT OR VEGETABLE IS A COLD FRUIT OR VEGETABLE, SO WE TRY TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF TIME THEY SIT HERE.>>YOU REALLY FUNCTION AS A LOGISTICAL HUB.>>WE’RE A LOGISTICAL HUB BOTH IN THE SENSE OF MOVEMENT OF THE GOODS BUT ALSO THE SALE AND MARKETING. SO IT’S OUR JOB TO TAKE THE FRUIT OR VEGETABLE TO MARKET, TO PUT A PRICE ON IT, TO SELL IT AND GET IT INTO THE HANDS OF THE CONSUMER. DUE TO THE SEASONALITY OF AGRICULTURE EVERYWHERE, A LOT OF PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE AGRICULTURAL TRADE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU GENERATE ENOUGH REVENUE IN A LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME TO COVER YOUR COSTS ON THE 12-MONTH CYCLE. THE BANK KEEPS COLLECTING THE MORTGAGE. THE SALARIES STILL HAVE TO GET PAID. THE ELECTRIC BILL CONTINUES TO COME. SO WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAKE IT WORK. WE’VE BEEN WATCHING THE NEGOTIATIONS AS CLOSELY AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE FOR THE LAST 18 MONTHS SINCE THE INITIAL ANNOUNCEMENT — SINCE THE IDEA WAS FLOATED IN SPRING OF 2017. WE’VE BEEN WATCHING AND TRYING TO HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE AND TRY TO PROVIDE OUR PERSPECTIVE TO THOSE INVOLVED IN THE NEGOTIATIONS.>>WHAT DON’T THOSE PEOPLE AT THE TABLE KNOW ABOUT WHAT’S HAPPENING HERE RIGHT NOW?>>WHAT WE’RE TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO THEM IS THIS IS A VERY VIBRANT ECONOMY AND A VIBRANT COMMUNITY THAT’S DEPENDENT ON U.S.-MEXICO TRADE, AND HAMPERING THAT TRADE WOULD HAVE DETRIMENTAL EFFECTS TO OUR AREA.>>HOW VALUABLE IS THIS RELATIONSHIP RIGHT NOW IN.>>YOU CAN’T PUT A PRICE ON IT. IT IS OUR ENTIRE LIVELIHOOD AND OUR FUTURE.>>IF CANADA IS NOT PART OF THE DEAL AS WE’VE HEARD, THERE ARE STILL SOME ONGOING DISCUSSIONS, DOES THAT IMPACT YOU HERE IN NOGALES?>>POTENTIALLY IT COULD IMPACT US. MOST OF OUR BUSINESS IN RESPECT TO THE IMPORTATION OF FRUITS AND VEGETABLES IS WITH MEXICO. WE IMPORT MEXICAN FRUITS AND VEGETABLES. BUT A LOT OF OUR CLIENTS ARE IN CANADA, SO THAT BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP DOES EXTEND INTO CANADA.>>ARE YOU OF THE MIND THAT IF CANADA IS NOT PART OF THE DEAL, IT COULD HAVE SOME SERIOUS REPERCUSSIONS HERE IN THE ARIZONA-MEXICO AREA?>>YOU KNOW, THAT’S DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND. WE DON’T SEE A LOT OF THE DIRECT ECONOMIC ACTIVITY OF THE U.S.-CANADA RELATIONSHIP OR THE MEXICO-CANADA RELATIONSHIP. THIS BORDER IS WHAT WE’RE FOCUSED ON, THE U.S.-MEXICO BORDER. I THINK IT’S HARD FOR US TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE RELATIONSHIP WOULD END UP WITHOUT CANADA.>>THERE WAS A TIME WHEN NAFTA DID NOT EXIST DOWN HERE. I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE BEEN PART OF A LONG FAMILY TRADITION OF BUSINESS DOWN HERE. WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT WHAT IT USED TO BE LIKE PRIOR TO NAFTA?>>WELL, THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS WAS VERY DIFFERENT WHEN YOU HAD TARIFFS AND DUTIES ON TOP OF THE IMPORTED FRUITS AND VEGETABLES. WHEN THOSE WENT AWAY, OUR WHOLE MODEL FOR DOING BUSINESS ADJUSTED. SO WE’RE BASICALLY USED TO DOING BUSINESS IN THE NAFTA TIME. GOING BACK TO A PRE-NAFTA TIME WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST DON’T REMEMBER, AND IT WOULD BE A LEARNING PROCESS.>>ARE THERE ANY BENEFITS TO GOING BACK TO PRE-NAFTA?>>I CANNOT ENVISION ANY.>>IF THERE IS NO NAFTA, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO CONTINUE TO DO BUSINESS WITH YOUR PARTNERS SOUTH OF THE BORDER?>>IT IS POSSIBLE. THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS WILL CHANGE. THEORETICALLY IT WOULD COST US MORE TO DO BUSINESS. WHERE THOSE COSTS WOULD END UP, I DON’T KNOW. ANY COMPANY WOULD HAVE TO ANALYZE THEIR BUSINESS MODEL AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO EITHER ABSORB OR PASS ON THOSE COSTS.>>POSSIBLE IT WOULD IMPACT THE AVERAGE CONSUMER LIKE MYSELF?>>QUITE POSSIBLE. I THINK INCREASED COSTS OF DOING BUSINESS, OF IMPORTING AND SELLING FRUITS AND VEGETABLES, WOULD TRY TO BE DISTRIBUTED THROUGHOUT THE SUPPLY CHAIN.

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19 thoughts on “Vote On Renewable Energy”

  1. Eric Mendez says:

    Funny how neither side is saying Arizonans can put up their own Panels. Solar and Wind is too expensive at the industrial capacity. Stop punishing individuals who want to go off grid first and maybe we can debate forcing companies to switch to newest means of production.

  2. Justin Burrell says:

    Not sure where she is getting her numbers but they are way off.

  3. Anti Fortnite Association says:

    Save the earth

  4. Punx Not Dead says:

    Vote no or ur retarded. Look at CA bills, good luck with the economy crash

  5. Punx Not Dead says:

    Dont be fooled , look at the mess CA has at only 30% renuables they have now

  6. Pedro Moreno says:

    Vote no and put your own Solar system

  7. Tucson Jim says:

    Solar is bad for these three fundamental reasons…

    1) It's the worst energy source for the environment.

    Solar farms covering a large amount of land are likely to have a negative impact on our fragile desert, particularly on our birds. And, manufacturing creates many toxic chemicals.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/toxic-lake-black-sludge-result-mining-create-tech/story?id=30122911

    https://business.financialpost.com/commodities/energy/solar-panel-makers-grapple-with-hazardous-waste-problem

    2) It's the worst energy source for the economy.

    Tucson used to have over a hundred solar companies – they all went out of business when the solar tax credits went away. Nobody buys solar (or EVs) without others paying for them. We've gained five million manufacturing jobs from Europe (mostly Germany) over the past five years due to their foolish investment in expensive and unreliable solar and wind energy. I had a local company quote one thermal panel for my domestic hot water and I was told they'd have to add an additional $10,000 to the quote to equal the (evil) profit they make from PVs. Two neighbors just installed solar panel – nowhere near pointing south because creating any energy is not really the point – it's about creating tax credits and making the rest of us pay. I have another friend who electrical bill doubled. Yes, that bad of an installation is common. The credit's proponents say tax breaks for green energy technologies will encourage innovation, but they fail to acknowledge that Washington’s history on these handouts and tax breaks for green energy have consistently failed. It has always promoted nothing but over charging and waste. The cost will be in the trillions. Yet, they lie and talk about the savings. Don't let them fool you.

    VOTE NO to their lies and their waste.

    https://www.realclearenergy.org/charticles/2013/02/11/wind_and_solar_still_most_expensive_electricity_106886.html

    https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/energy-environment/302900-solar-energy-cant-survive-without-massive-subsidies

    http://www.aei.org/publication/inconvenient-energy-fact-it-takes-79-solar-workers-to-produce-same-amount-of-electric-power-as-one-coal-worker/

    And, we keep throwing good money after stupid ideas…

    https://breakingenergy.com/2015/05/13/solaroad-performs-better-than-expected-remains-pointless/

    https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/nancy-pfotenhauer/2014/05/12/even-warren-buffet-admits-wind-energy-is-a-bad-investment

    3) It's the current worst use of sunlight energy.

    The above two statements are true for photovoltaics (panels) that have only recently gotten up to 20% efficiency but I was building up to 94% efficient solar systems 40 years ago (using point focusing thermal to sterling engine to electric generator with use of waste heat but without the environmental and financial problems of PVs). If you care about your country, do not support mandated solar. The best use of sunlight is with skylights (solar tube) for direct illumination. They're even made locally here in Arizona instead of China (who has no EPA). School grades improve up to 20% due to the increase visibility from natural lighting over harsh florescents. Why not start there? Then, there's passive solar heating and cooling architectural designs.

    https://www.architecturerevived.com/passive-solar-heating-and-cooling-building-design/

  8. MegaPHX602AZ says:

    This proposal is being being by a California liberal activist. He wants Arizonians to pay more each month for "clean energy" . California has already been duped into voting "YES" in this same thing and pays 3X more for energy. I am voting "NO" on this bad Prop. 127.

  9. Sandra Gonzalez says:

    Do research please, our environment is in an awful situation. We needed to start thinking ahead.

  10. DMG2FUN says:

    If you want renewable energy then develop yourself. Stop trying to force others to pay fer it!

  11. TK W says:

    Tom Steier is an arrogant jerk for nosing his way into AZ politics. This isn't his choice!
    It's dirty play, it's strategic, and it's WRONG.

  12. Electronics For Fun says:

    l am against anything where the government forces their nose into our lives and the lives of the companies we're paying money to. solar power is insanely expensive and there is no reason to switch to it. it's inefficient and not nearly as eco friendly as the granola heads would lead you to believe it is. solar panels are huge polluters to heat island which means the summers in AZ would get even hotter if we started throwing up arrays in the desert of dark blue shiny panels. not to mention that production of solar panels produces NF3 which is a very potent and highly toxic green house gas. natural gas and coal are the best options, cola is actually pretty clean in the US. in 1991 coal plants were mandated to be retrofitted with scrubbing system to pull all of the lead, mercury and other toxins out of the flu gases and today scrubbing tech for coal plants has gotten so good that most of the exhaust from coal plants is made of water vapor. and natual gas has come even further. natural gas scrubbers actually clean the air they suck in. #NoOn127

  13. Electronics For Fun says:

    2:29 that is incorrect, you would be lucky if you could get your solar cells at a dollar per watt. 2.2 cents per kilowatt my ass, if that's the case then why isn't everybody rushing to have solar systems installed on their houses? l mean if it's only going to cost them a couple bucks then what's stopping them? it's because it can cost tens of thousands to have a solar system installed on your house. l don't know where you're getting this 2.2 cents per kilowatt bullshit, we're a very very long ways away from that kind of pricing.

  14. Katrina Kruger says:

    APS is a for profit company, logic says if renewable is cheaper then they make more profits. Why would a profit based company not want more black ink on the ledger? Food for thought.

    P.S. Will not change my electric bill of $0 im 100% solar.

  15. redlostsouls says:

    this prop is getting a no from me and the California billion air needs to keep his nose out of Arizona matters and quit trying tofill his pockets with arizonans money

  16. Colt 604 says:

    Nobody is talking about the negative environmental impact solar farms have. They kill 28,000 birds in the Mojave desert every year.

  17. KindaDumb says:

    Coal is not clean energy 3:20.

  18. geonerd says:

    Two words make 127 impractical: "Duck Curve." California has already reached 100% solar saturation during mid-day hours. They are making more solar PV than they can use. Yes, it's possible to store this energy in various ways, but all the storage mechanisms are expensive and consume space, making their deployment difficult to justify. http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2015/ph240/burnett2/

  19. geonerd says:

    Nuclear may not be strictly "renewable" but there are enough proven reserves of uranium and thorium to power the world for centuries. This lady is spewing far more lies than the slick corporate jerk, who does manage to make a few real-world points about energy storage in between the fear mongering. (Neither speaker is doing their cause a whole lot of good.)

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